Then There's Proton, which carries on to insist on equipping its vehicles with CVTs which have a start off-up clutch. This is often an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an previous thread. You should look at making a new thread. US Toyotas are https://cvttoyota06273.theideasblog.com/34850472/the-2-minute-rule-for-cvt-toyota